V 76 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr. Patrick Flood. 9052. Do you mean to say that taking it at 8 /. 8 s. an acre, and putting down — 42 / as the conacre rent, that after crediting the farm with that, he kept two 11 May 1838. acres 0f potatoe ground for himself ?— He kept two acres of potatoes himself, and set three acres. 0053. You put down 42/. as the produce of those five acres?— Yes. 9054. Do not you credit the farm with the value of five acres of potatoe ground'?— I do, but I charge the farm with 5 I. labour in consequence of the man keeping those two acres for himself. 9055. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] What right have you, in calculating the amount of this man's beneficial interest, after having taken credit first of all for the whole of the potatoe ground that he had; what right have you to take into your account anything for the value of the pigs, when he has no means, unless you take those potatoe grounds into calculation, of feeding the pigs ?— He took two acres to himself. 9056. Then are not you bound to deduct those two acres from the five acres that you charged the eight guineas an acre for, and then to reduce the amount of the item in respect of the conacre ground to 24 guineas ?— Yes. 9057. Then you cut down at once the potatoe item to 24 guineas ?— Yes; then I will take the amount for the conacres at 25 /. 4 s.; then I make the beneficial interest 35 1. 15 s. 6 d., rent 19/. 12 s., labour 11/.; this man is not very strong himself, and I know he is obliged to pay men; I charge 1/. 2 s. 0> d. for tithes, interest on stock about 2/. 10 s., making the charges 34/. 4 s. 6d. 9058. Mr. Curry.] Will you state the other items ?— Three acres of conacre potatoes 251. 4 s.; the two acres which the man has himself, that is 16 guineas; two acres of oats, 14/. 16 s. 8 d.; and profit upon his pigs, 0/.; the gross amount of the produce of the farm will come to 70 /. 9059. Mr. O'Connell.] Do not you perceive that you have no right to charge the profit upon pigs ?— When I charge a farm with 11 /. labour, I have a right, because I know the man has a profit. 9060. Mr. Lefroy.] For what do you charge the 11 /. for labour?— I know that the man must employ a labourer. 9061. For the labour upon what part of the farm ?— For the potatoes and oats; the man holds three acres of potatoes himself, and for that and for reaping the oats; for setting his potatoes, and digging them in, and reaping his oats. 9062. You charge nothing for seed?— No; the man has only two acres of oats. 9063. Manure ?— No, there is no expense for manure ; it was grass land put out for potatoes. 9064. What becomes of the three conacres which the next year will be a caput mortuuml— The conacre the next year will set for oats at seven guineas or 7 /. 9065. Without any manure?— Yes. 9066. The third year what will it set for?— It will give five, six, or seven crops without any manure. 9067. What will become of it the eighth year?— I have known land let at six guineas a year the eighth year. 9068. What will become of it the ninth ?— Set it out in grass and you can get 4 /. a year; the man will put his own manure upon it ; that is the custom ; there is no land to be got at less than that. 9069. Then it stands thus in your neighbourhood, that a man gets eight crops and then he will get 4/. for the use of the land in grass, and the man will put his own manure upon it ?— Yes, certainly. 9070. Chairman.] And he pays to the original proprietor how much ?— He may pay 2 /. or 3 1. . 9° 71- Mr. Lefroy.] The tenants in this part of the country must be exceed ™ ingly rich and comfortable ?— Some of them are very wealthy. 9072. Every man who has 10 acres must be quite a wealthy man ?— A man may have a large family, and divide a little wealth among them : a freeholder died the other day, and left 500/. behind him. 9073- Was that one of these 10- acre men ?— He had about 20 acres. 9074. Mr. O'Connell.]