V 76 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE THE Mr . Patrick Flood, labour ?— I mean what it would be worth to a man for his own residence, to support his family after paying rent. e # 8 May 1838. 8654. Suppose you occupy yourself entirely m cultivating that five acres ot ground, and you make to yourself 30/., do you reckon that 30/. a beneficial interest ?— No, I do not, because the labour should be deducted. 8655. How much would you deduct for that ?— It would be according to what kind of tillage he had. .. „ T , 8656. Taking your own land, what do you deduct for labour !— I do not deduct anything for labour, for I set it ready for the crop without any labour. 8657. Do you mean that you have got so favourable a holding that you make 30/. a year without any labour or any expense?— No, only 15/.; I set it to a man of the name of Carroll at 6/. 10s. an acre. 8658. When you talk of James Beglin having this beneficial interest of 50/. a year, do you make any deduction from that amount for labour, or anything else ?— 1 would make some deduction for the man's own labour. 8659. How much?— It might be 5/., and, perhaps, not so much. 8660. Then James Beglin, in the occupation of 14 acres of land, in your opinion, has a beneficial interest of 45/. a year ?— Indeed, I think so; from that to 50/.: the man has sold his farm since. 8661. Mr. Serjeant Ball.] What is the proportion of Irish and English acres ? •— Fourteen Irish acres is 22 acres, 2 roods, and 28 perches English. S662. Mr. Hogg.] You have answered the question in the affirmative as to the five acres; would a man holding four acres, at three guineas an acre, in your opinion, have a beneficial interest of 10/. under the Reform Act, taking the case of your own land ?— No, I think five acres would be close enough. 8663. You do not think that a person holding four acres would have a bene- ficial interest of 10/. under the Reform Act?— He might. 8664. Suppose he held three acres, at two guineas an acre, of what might be considered good land, would he have a 10/. beneficial interest under the Reform Act, in your opinion?— Unless he had a house he would not. 8665. With the description of hut that is usual upon a three- acre holding?— Upon a three- acre holding, it would be worth about three guineas a year. 8C66. In your opinion, would that man, with the ordinary hut upon a three- acre holding, and with three acres of good land at three guineas an acre, have a 10/. beneficial interest?— I cannot say whether he would ; I doubt whether he would; but upon a five- acre holding, I am clear that he would. 8667. What does that land pay the head landlord ?— I think about a guinea; I offered three guineas an acre for 15 acres, much of the same land. In the ease of Beglin, this farm has since been let at a fine of 75/., and two guineas rent the man that now holds it has kept part of it in his own hands, and let part of it at / 5 /. fine, and two guineas a year rent: the head landlord is Mr. Murphy, of the county of Meath. 8668. Have you the name of any other person whose land you valued, and who was struck off by the Committee in 1837 ?— There is Matthew M'Gurk. 8669. How many acres did he hold?— Eleven acres, three roods, and twenty- one perches. 8670. What rent does he pay ?—£. 20. 8671. Where is that land situated?— Near Granard. 8672. On what townland ?—' The townland of Friskin. 8673. Was he put upon the register at any time ?— He was, in the year 1832. 8674. Was he struck off in 1837 upon the ground of want of value?— Yes. 8675. Chairman.'] When was his lease signed ?— In 1831; it appears in the book. 8676. And his rent was 20 /. ?— Yes. 8677. Mr. Curry.] Did you view his farm?— I have seen his farm a dozen times since ; I viewed it in 1833 first. 8678. Chairman.] Did you give evidence before the Committee in 1837 I did not. 8679. Mr. Curry.] In your judgment would a solvent tenant have given 10/, a year for that farm above what the tenant paid for rent ?— He would 8680. What beneficial interest do you think that man would have in his tarm by the acre ?— I should think not less than 40 /. 8681. Was