< 7? *£ s SELECT COMMITTEE ON FICTITIOUS VOTES, IRELAND. , ^ j / J / j Dedded^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ence, and a man of high character ?- l 5t74i\ ^ y0U1hean1' d him deP° se tllat that Person was not subject to ratine • tW he had been valued in the supplementary Valuation in 1833 - Xnt £ g' from that; that his case was investigated by thfo° and iurv tU tL flowed his appeal being satisfied fhat his^^ t that produce any doubt m your mind as to the possibility of your hcin- deceived by what passed between you and the person whom you saw?- As to the nos bi % there may be a doubt, but not the probability, ' because I had othSt of the same. There was a Speaker's warrant to view the different books • and I found, in some instances, that there was a little discrepancy between the collec- tor s books and the evidence that I produced at the time. 5744- Did you ever know an instance in which a man was excused from rates and so appeared m the treasurer's book, and yet that man paid rates-— Not to my own knowledge; I have heard a little hearsay about it. 5745; You never knew an instance of it?— No; I had no occasion to o- o minutely into those things at the time. 5746. Mr. Beamish.] Did you visit the house of William Riordan, Bishop- street ?— I did ; and the rate- receipt was produced. 5747- Is that also in Mr. Garde's district?— I think it was; but I am not very positive of that. 5748. Are you satisfied that you saw the rate- receipt?— I have set it down here, which gives me every reason to satisfy myself upon it. 5749. Did you ascertain the rent he paid?— It does not appear that I have set it down. 5750. Chairman.'] Do persons of that class pay their rates in Cork very easily? — I have no knowledge of that. As I stated before, I have 110 particular know- ledge of how they pay their rates in any way. 5751. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Have you the recollection now present to your mind of having visited this man ?— No more recollection than I have with respect to the last man I was asked about, 5752. That is, you have nothing but what you derive from looking at your book ?— No. 5753- You do not know the man?— No. 5754. And you cannot, of course, recollect whom you saw when you called at his house?— No. 5755. Have you now any recollection of the receipt you saw?— I have per- fectly in my recollection that the rate- receipt must have been produced to me. 5756. Have you any recollection of the receipt ?— From wrhat is set down in my book. 5757. Independently of the book, you have 110 recollection?— No. 5758. With respect to this man, is not it a very curious thing that lie is like- wise deposed to by Mr. Lane as being a person valued in 1833, as a person who appealed upon the ground of his premises not being worth 5 I. a year, and that his appeal was allowed by the grand jury upon investigation, and that he was never rated or charged afterwards ?— I cannot speak for that. 5759. Does not that strike you as a very extraordinary thing that you should have a voucher produced to you for the payment of rates by a man never subject to rates ?— 1There must have been some disarrangement 111 the mode of collecting. 5760. Mr. Garde is dead?— He is. 5761. About a year ago ?— I do not know what time. . 5762. You see that one thing is quite clear, that there must be a mistake upon the one part or the other ?— Yes. , . . 5763 People in Cork do not pay rates voluntarily that they are not bound to ^ 5764^ Must there not be a mistake on one part or the other; ttat eitherMr. Lane must be mistaken in saying that this man has been absolved from he ate, or else that you must be under some mistake as to his having paid the rates. There must be some mistake as to one side or the other. _ to sive to the Mr. Hairy Burry. 8 March 1838. 5765. Now, you having no more information at present and seeing R. P Committee but what is derived from looking at your book there, is it more likely that you or the persons from ^ J^^^ 7^ intelligence should have laboured under some mistake upon the subject, tn^ 0.46. L L 3