23 8 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE TAKEN BEFORE TIIE Mr Henry Barry. 5718. You say this was in 1835 ; now the valuation was in 1833 ; his appeal " was also in 1833, and his appeal was allowed, and he was excused from rating ? 8 March 1838. not know, but he produced his rate- receipt to me ; Mr. George Garde's receipt; he was then the collector. , 3719. Are there more persons of that name in kair- lane — 1 do not kuow, but this man voted in 1835 for the Liberal interest. .5720. ( To Mr. Colburn.) Are there two John Murphy s upon the register?— Here is John Murphy, a carpenter. . . 5721. ( To Mr. Barry.) Is the man about whom you are giving evidence a carpenter?— Yes, lie is set down here " carpenter." 5722. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Would it not strike you as a strange thing, that a man should pay rates and produce a receipt for the rates, if, in truth, he was excused from paying rates by reason of his premises not being of that value ?— It would be rather curious. 5723. Would it not be calculated to produce some suspicion in one's mind, that the man must have produced something that was not a genuine receipt ?— He could not well deceive me in that, because I minutely looked at the receipt. 5724. Do you know the man?— I cannot say that I know him now. 5725. Did you know him then ?— I must have called there; I cannot say whether he appeared to me, or whether the receipt was produced by some person in his house. 5726. Can you state what wras the tenor of the receipt that you saw ?— No, I cannot. 5727. Can you state how it described the premises?— No, I cannot say posi- tively how the receipt was, because I had a great many of them at the time. 5728. Can you undertake to say positively that the document produced to you was a genuine receipt for rates, paid by John Murphy, Fair- lane, out of the pre- mises in Fair- lane ?— It purported to be. 5729. You cannot speak as to the genuineness of it?— No ; Mr. Garde's name must have been to it. 5730. Mr. Beamish.'] Were you acquainted with Mr. Garde's handwriting ?— I was. 5731. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Do you recollect that Mr. Garde's name was to the document ?— It must have been. 5732. Are you now prepared to state positively that the name of Mr. Garde was to the document you saw ?— To the best of my knowledge it wras. 5733- But you are not certain ?— I have not it before me. 5734. Have you now a recollection of having seen the name of Mr. Garde to the document produced to you by John Murphy?— It must have been, or I would not have set it down. 5735. Have you that impression upon your mind, that fixed recollection upon your mind, which enables you to state, from memory, that you saw it ?— Not from memory, but from the book. 5736. Then the only ground that you have is from the R. P. in the book ?— That is the ground upon which I can conscientiously say that I have seen the receipt. .5737. But two things are possible; first, that'a document may have been produced to you which was not genuine; and secondly, that a document may have been produced to you which did not relate to those premises ?— It was not probable that they would produce a document to me that was not genuine, because they had nothing to gain by it. 5738. Is not it possible that a document might have been produced to you which was not the genuine receipt of Mr. Garde, and also that, even if a genuine document was produced, it might have related to other premises ?— It is possible, but not probable. 5739- Mr. Beamish.] You said that you were acquainted with Mr. Garde's handwriting.'— Perfectly acquainted with it, because I had an immense roll of receipts to produce to the Committee for trying the Cork petition case. 5740. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] You know Mr. Lane, the treasurer, very well? — Very well. J 574'- He is a very accurate man in business?— I should think so ; I have no particular business to transact with him ; but, from my knowledge of his charac- ter, I should think he was. J fo 5742. A