s e l e c t c o m m i t t e e o n f i c t i t i o u s v o t e s , i r e l a n d . sJ7' 24T 5545- Are there some ?— There are. JSf \ In that resPect they are like the people outside the liberties ?- Yes • but rtS thG t0 the ^ thlt do English g rarely meet a farmer in the county that does not speak 5547- Are you aware whether or not any steps were taken for the purpose of which would properly belong to the town, the urban population, from the rural or county population ?— There were. 5548. When was that done?- 1 think it was about this time two years 5549• Who was over upon that business ?- I think the gentleman's name was Major Bryant; he represented himself to be a Government engineer ; lie came with Mr. Percy, the chief of police, and represented himself to me to be a Govern- ment engineer, sent over for the purpose of dividing the urban from the agrarian population as well as he could, and begged I would assist him. 5550- He came to you, it being known that you were a person very conver- sant with the country round about Cork, and likewise with the population inha- biting about Cork ?— He stated so to me. 555 » • Did you accompany him, or give him any assistance in the work that he came about?— I did not accompany him; I gave him information in my own room. I was very ill with a cold at the time, and I offered to go with him; but he said if he found any difficulty he would call again, and when he lined the map he would show it to me before lie finished it. 5552. When he had the trace or outline perfected, he would show it to you? — Yes. 5553- You in your chamber, not being well at the time, afforded him such information as lie required from your means of knowledge?— Yes, I gave him some high points that he could see from where he could have the best view. 5554. Do you know whether he proceeded in that work ?— He did ; but he did not call upon me, or show me the tracing in Cork. 555,5. Did you afterwards see any map that had been made upon that occa- sion, the result of those investigations ?— Yes ; I came over here to look after it, and I saw it after calling at some offices; he had left London when I got here; I was told he was gone to Dublin, but I went through some of the offices here; and at last a gentleman showed it me in The Speaker's old parlour in the House of Commons. 5556. When was it you saw that document?— I think it was about April or May' 1836. 5,557. It was then amongst public documents and papers in The Speaker's House ?— I suppose so; it was a gentleman in the office that showed it to me. 5558. Chairman.] One of the clerks of the House of Commons?— A person that was in The Speaker's old parlour. 5559. Mr. Serjeant Jackson.] Was there some Committee sitting there?— No, there was not; I went to inquire. 5560 And this gentleman produced it to you ?— He did. He said that 1 was not entitled to see it till after the Boundary Bill was printed ; and I was leaving London at that time, and I wished to see it, so as to give some instruction, tor I conceived that the boundaries were not defined properly. 5561. Did you find that the boundaries were traced upon that map?— There Avere boundaries traced upon it. . 5562 Did those boundaries agree with the limits of the county of the city of Cork as it now stands ?- In parts they did, and in parts they did not 556.3. Did the line there laid down agree at all with the line of the suburbs . — It did in parts, but it was extended in other parts. 5564. Was it a more uniform circle around the city of Cork than is afforded either by the circle of the liberties, or the circle of the subu bs - Neither of those are circles, nor was that more uniform than the present; it . a, rather Were the remote points of the line so distant from the centre of the Citfo/ Cork as Ihe remote' points of the liberties ?- Not near so remote as the ^ 5tT Were the near points at all so near to the centre of Cork as the nearest points of the suburbs ?- Yes, the nearest parts of ome were. ^ Generaliy 0.46. K K j Mr. Betij. Dublc. not 8 March 1838.