12 MINUTES OF EVIDENCE BEFORE SELECT COMMITTEE Mr Are you aware, that he performed the extra labour of that prison, from 1817 to John. McMullen. 1822, without any increased emolument?— I suppose so. —— Are you aware, or do you believe, that in the course of that time he made ( 1 May.) several applications to the grand jury for an increase of salary ; do you believe that ? — 1 do not doubt it. Do you believe that those were complied with or rejected?— I believe that they were rejected, and I think most properly. Are you aware of the circumstances under which the increase took place ? — It has been stated, by the officers of the prisons, that the increase took place under an arrangement previously made with the judges of the King's Bench. Are the Committee to understand then, that there was any thing of private col- lusion between him and the judges of the King's Bench?— I should be the last per- son in the world to make any such imputation; but it always struck me, that such imputation was conveyed by the publication to which I allude. Then in point of fact, do not you believe, that he, in consequence of the re- fusal of the grand jury, presented a memorial to the judges of the court of King's Bench ?— I suppose so; but I know nothing of the fact. That the judges took it into their consideration, and ordered the grand jury to increase his salary ?— I believe that they sanctioned it. Did they not suggest it?— I am not aware of that fact; and I am very far from supposing or insinuating that they did. Have not you this moment stated, that it was in consequence of a previous com- munication with the judges?— I presume such communication must have come from the inspector, not from the judges. Do you believe, or can you form an opinion, whether the judges in open court, did not represent to the grand jury, their opinion of the inadequacy of that salary ?— I never heard the fact stated. Are you aware of what the county of Dublin grand jury pay their inspector ?— I have been informed, that he receives 200 I. as inspector, and 60 1. as chaplain. He has only one gaol to attend to ?— I believe only one. Can you say, what may be the average number of inmates in that prison ?— I be- lieve about 130 or 150. Then one prison, containing 130, paying its inspector 260/. a year ; do you con- ceive that an inspector, having live different prisons in different parts, remotely situated from each other, and a thousand inmates so disproportionate a payment ?— Compared with the payment of the inspector of the gaol of Kilmainham, the sum does appear disproportionate; but the payment to the inspector of the gaol of Kilmainham, appears to me excessive; I ground my opinion on this circumstance, that the physician who attends that gaol, and whose duty I should suppose to be nearly equal to that of the inspector, receives only 80 I. a year. Are you aware that the official duty, as prescribed by law, is precisely the same in point of days attendance, as that of the inspector?— I am aware of the fact; and it is upon that circumstance, that I ground the opinion I have just expressed. The inspector, when he goes to the prison, is bound by law to inspect every cell, apartment, or place of confinement in the prison, is he not?— I understand so. Do you mean, that the physician is bound to inspect every apartment and cell in the prison, whenever he goes there?— I do not. How many days is the inspector bound to attend at Newgate ?— Twice in each week. Is he not bound to examine, and to hear the complaint of any person in that prison ?— I believe he is bound to hear complaints. At each examination ?— Yes. Is he not bound to examine the provisions, and to regulate the dietary ?— 1 be- lieve so ; he can, however, only do it occasionally. Is he not bound to receive weekly reports from the medical officers, and make reports from them, and to inspect generally ?— I believe so. Is he bound to make out returns at the commencement of each term, one for the King's Bench, and another for the grand jury?— I have heard so. Has he not the charge under his own management and control of all bedding, clothing, furniture and all necessaries for distribution among the prisoners ?— lie has not the charge of them while they are in use; he has the charge of the primary distribution of them. Then, if such be his duties, do not you conceive that the increase from one prison to five, and from 150 prisoners to 1,000 prisoner?, must occupy the entire of his