kio' ON THE LOCAL TAXATION OF THE CITY OF DUELIN. 73 the same gentleman, or of the same family, as the apothecary of the prisons?— He is the same individual. How often within the last twenty years, has that gentleman attended the pre- senting grand juries?— In the ten years ending Michaelmas 1820, he served upon thirteen grand juries. Are you aware how long that gentleman has been apothecary to the prisons of the city of Dublin ?— I am not aware of the exact time, but I believe, for a con- siderable length of time. Has he been more than those ten years ?— I believe he has held the situation for the last twenty or thirty years. Then if that gentleman has been apothecary of the prisons of Dublin, during the last ten years, he has been thirteen times, within that period, a party to the pre- sentment for his own benefit ?— Unquestionably. What was the amount paid to the apothecary in the year 1821 ?— 5311. 135. 11c?. and in 1822, 593/. 17.?. Can you inform the Committee what the entire charge for medical and surgical attendance and medicine, at Kilmainham in the county of Dublin, was for the year 1821 ?— 101/. comprising a salary of 80/. to the gentleman who attends the prison, and discharges the duties both of physician and surgeon, and 21 /. for medicines; in the succeeding half year, ending Easter 1822, the charge for medicines was only 61. 6s. 4cl. Has any mode occurred to your mind by which there could be a reduction in those medical charges ?— It occurs to me, that if the situations of physician, sur- geon and apothecary, were open to election, perhaps triennially, large savings would be effected and the duty performed with equal efficiency. Are you aware that that suggestion of yours has been acted upon in any public establishment in the city of Dublin?— In the lying- in hospital the physician is elected septennially, and in that institution the regulation is found to be attended with advantage. Is there any salary attached to it ?— I believe not, he has apartments, coals, candles, & c. What are the salaries to the chaplains of the prisons?— There are three chaplains at the prisons, at salaries of 100/. a year each; there was a further emolument to each of them of 10/. a year, for distributing bread, which upon application to the court of King's Bench, was refused at Michaelmas term last. Who is the presbyterian or dissenting chaplain to the city of Dublin prisons ?— The Rev. Mr. Horner. Has he any other situation or emolument derived from the public in the city of Dublin?— He has a pension as a retired governor of the house of industry. Are you aware whether there have been, during the time you have paid attention to the prisons of the city of Dublin, any considerable number of prisoners of dis- senting persuasions, requiring the service of a dissenting chaplain ?— I have reason to believe that the case occurs very seldom indeed, almost never. Who is the catholic chaplain of the gaols of the city of Dublin?— The Rev. Mr. Morrissy. Are you aware of any difficulty which has occurred with respect to that reverend gentleman, in the administration of his functions in the prisons ?— I am. Will you inform the Committee of any facts that have come to your knowledge on the subject?— I have been informed that he holds the situation in opposition to the authority of his ecclesiastical superiors, and that he is in consequence not attended to by the prisoners. Are you aware whether this gentleman does, in point of fact, perform his sacred functions within the prison, and do the prisoners attend upon him ?— I have been informed that he does attend the prison, but that the prisoners refuse to hear him, or attend to his instructions. Are you acquainted with the state of the gaol of Newgate?— I have frequently visited the prison. Do you know any thing of the average cost of the daily food of the prisoners ?— I made inquiry very recently, and I was informed that the present dietary is confined to bread and milk ; that each prisoner receives about two pounds of bread and one quart of milk daily; it was so stated to me by one of the inferior officers of the prison. Can you inform the Committee what is the cost of the daily food of the pe- soners?— Under those circumstances the average cost of the food of each prison would be about five- pence daily, or very nearly so, as the bread supplied by the 541). I contractor Mr. JohnMcMulltn. ( 1 May.)