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Second Report from the Select Committee of the Local Taxation of the City of Dublin

09/07/1823

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Second Report from the Select Committee of the Local Taxation of the City of Dublin

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ON THE LOCAL TAXATION" OF THE CITY. OF DUBLIN. PERFORM; AND THERE IS CHARACTER TO BE MADE BY ATTENDING THE FEVER HOSPITAL, BUT IT IS RATHER THE REVERSE WITH RESPECT TO THE PRISONS. DO YOU MEAN TO STATE THAT YOUR EXTENSIVE PRACTICE IN THE PRISONS IS NOT SERVICE- ABLE TO YOU?— CERTAINLY NOT, I CONSIDER IT AS DETRIMENTAL; AND I DO NOT HESITATE TO SAY, THAT IF AT THE TIME OF MY ELECTION I HAD MY CHOICE OF BEING PHYSICIAN TO THE GAOL, OR PHYSICIAN TO THE FEVER HOSPITAL, I SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN THE FEVER HOSPITAL-; AND I CAN STRENGTHEN THE STATEMENT BY STATING THE FACT, THAT A PHYSICIAN WHO SOME TIME SINCE WAS ATTACHED TO THAT HOSPITAL, AND WHO HAS OCCASIONALLY DISCHARGED MY DUTY DURING MY ABSENCE, DECLARES THAT NO CONSIDERATION ON EARTH WOULD INDUCE HIM TO ATTEND THE PRISONS. COULD YOU DERIVE ANY EMOLUMENT FROM ANY ABUSE OF THE OFFICIAL TRUST REPOSED IN YOU ?— CERTAINLY; NO TRANSPORT CAN BE REMOVED ON BOARD WITHOUT THE SANCTION OF MY AUTHORITY ; IN CONSEQUENCE OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY OFFERED VERY CONSI- DERABLE BRIBES TO KEEP BACK PARTICULAR TRANSPORTS : THESE OFFERS HAVE ONLY CEASED FROM HAVING BEEN NEVER ACCEPTED. DO YOU DERIVE ANY OTHER EMOLUMENTS FROM THE PRISONS BESIDES YOUR SALARY?— NONE WHATEVER. WHAT IS YOUR RULE OF CONDUCT IN CASE OF CERTIFICATES BEING REQUIRED OF YOU BY PRISONERS?— I UNIFORMLY REFUSE CERTIFYING FOR ANY PRISONER ( EXCEPT A MERE PAUPER) AT HIS OWN REQUEST, BUT REQUIRE AN ORDER FROM GOVERNMENT; AND I UNIFORMLY REFUSE EVEN THE REGULAR FEES FOR ATTENDANCE ON PRISONERS UNQUESTIONABLY WELL ABLE TO PAY ANY PHYSICIAN OR SURGEON. WHAT IS THE LINE OF DERNARKATION DISTINGUISHING THE MEDICAL FROM THE SURGICAL PATIENTS ?— ALL THE VENEREAL PATIENTS ARE PLACED UNDER SURGICAL CARE ; OF COURSE ALL ACCIDENTS AND GENERALLY ALL EXTERNAL DISEASES UNATTENDED BY FEVER OR INTERNAL DISEASE. WHY WAS NOT THE SALARY OF THE SURGEON RAISED AS WELL AS THAT OF THE PHYSICIAN AND INSPECTOR?— AT THE TIME THE SALARY OF THE PHYSICIAN AND INSPECTOR WAS RAISED THE THEN SURGEON WAS AN OLD MAN, AND CONFINED BY ILL HEALTH: HIS DUTY WAS DISCHARGED BY DEPUTY, AND UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES THERE WAS NO APPLICATION TO THE GRAND JURY. IS NOT THE DUTY ATTACHED TO THE OFFICE OF SURGEON AS GREAT AS THAT ATTACHED TO THE PHYSICIAN ?— IT IS VERY HEAVY, AND IN SOME RESPECTS THE SAME AS REGARDS THE NECES- SITY OF REGULAR ATTENDANCE AT THE DIFFERENT PRISONS; THE NUMBER OF HIS PATIENTS IS ALWAYS CONSIDERABLE, NOT SO GREAT AS THE MEDICAL, NOR LIABLE TO SUCH VARIATIONS IN POINT OF NUMBER ; BUT IT IS ALWAYS CONSIDERABLE. DO YOU CONCEIVE THAT SURGICAL PATIENTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE COMMON IN THE PRISONS OF DUBLIN THAN IN THE COUNTY PRISON ?— CERTAINLY, THE PROSTITUTES OF DUBLIN BEING MOST GENERALLY THIEVES ALSO. COULD EITHER HIS OFFICE OR YOURS BE DISPENSED WITH WITHOUT SERIOUS INJURY TO THE HEALTH OF THE PRISONERS?— FROM THE MULTITUDE OF SICK THAT NECESSARILY COME INTO OR ARE TO BE FOUND IN THE PRISONS, IT IS VERY EVIDENT THAT THERE MUST BE A NUMBER OF CASES TO WHICH ONLY THE PHYSICIAN COULD BE COMPETENT, AND MANY OTHERS TO WHICH ONLY THE SURGEON COULD BE " COMPETENT; AND IT IS FOR THE COMMITTEE UNDER SUCH CIRCUM- STANCES TO DECIDE WHETHER, AT A TIME WHEN MOST EXPENSIVE ENACTMENTS HAVE BEEN ENFORCED FOR PROMOTING THE COMFORTS AND MORALS OF PRISONS, THEY WOULD ADOPT A REGULA- TION THAT COULD PRODUCE A VERY SMALL SAVING TO THE PUBLIC, AND WHICH WOULD CONTRIBUTE GREATLY TO AGGRAVATE THE STATE" OF DISEASE IN THE PRISONS. BEFORE A PHYSICIAN WAS AP- POINTED THE PRISONS OF DUBLIN WERE ALWAYS SCENES OF GREAT WRETCHEDNESS AND DISEASE. WILL YOU STATE THE CHECK THAT IS EXERCISED OVER THE MEDICAL OFFICERS?— THEY MUST ENTER THEIR NAMES IN THE ATTENDANCE BOOK ON EACH VISIT. DOES NOT THE ACT PRESCRIBE SOMETHING BEYOND THE MERE WRITING OF THE NAME?— THE DUTY DISCHARGED SHOULD BE STATED ALSO. IS THERE ANY MEMORANDUM MADE IN THE BOOK OF THE DUTY DISCHARGED ?— GENERALLY THERE IS, BUT OUR DUTY CAN BE MERELY THAT OF VISITING THE SICK. DO YOU THINK FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE, THAT THE GAOL OF NEWGATE IS A CONVENIENT AND COMMODIOUS GAOL ?— I THINK IT QUITE IMPOSSIBLE THAT, WITHOUT A NEW AND COM- MODIOUS PRISON, THE CITY OF DUBLIN CAN BE IN THAT STATE IN WHICH IT OUGHT TO BE, WITH RESPECT TO THE MANAGEMENT OF ITS CRIMINAL PRISONERS; INDEED THERE MUST BE A CONSI- DERABLE ANNUAL INCREASE OF CRIMINALS UNLESS A NEW GAOL BE BUILT, THE PRESENT BEING 4' WORSE THAN USELESS/' IF A NEW GAOL WAS BUILT, DO YOU THINK THAT THE CITY OF DUBLIN OUGHT TO PAY THE WHOLE EXPENSE OF IT?— IF THE COUNTY PRISONERS ARE TO BE ACCOMMODATED IN THE CITY GAOL, AS AT PRESENT, IT APPEARS TO ME BUT REASONABLE AND JUST THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BEAR ITS PROPORTION OF THE EXPENSE; BUT IF A NEW GAOL BE NOT BUILT, I AM QUITE SATIS- ( jj- rr Ilea 549- OP O Dr. William Hsrhj. 1 < 12 May.)
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